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Posted almost 8 years ago , by Man Raul

Hello everyone, I'm new to this forum and am happy to have found it... English is not my first language so please bare with me... I want to start by teling you my experience so far, I first learned about astral projection last yeasr and I tried to achive astral projection with meditation (I never even reached the vibrations)so I decided to try doing it in the midle of the night because I oftenly wake up to use the bathroom, so I did and I have 2 experiences but I am not realy sure it's astral projection since it was in a dream-like state and it's all foogy and unclear ( like a dream ).

My first experience was 2 weeks ago. I remember waking up but I didn't open my eyes or move, I just sat there and tryed to astral project. I reached the vibrations, it felt like my body was numb and tingly. Take note that this is the first time I reach the vibration stage. I try diferent ways to get out of my body but nothing seems to work, exept for rollind side-ways ( I sleep on my back) I succesfully rolled out of my body but when I try to open my eyes I am back into my body. I repeated this once more with the same result and after that I'ved fallen asleep and had a false awakening dream. The next day all this seemed like a dream, it was all blurry and clowdy. It was like I dreamed of trying to astral project.

My second experience was last night. I woke up at 2 in the night because I'ved fallen asleep verry early( at 7 or 8). After one hour of Listening to some creepypastas I was on my side ( I usualy sleep on my back) I enter sleep paralysiss and I think to myself "I should try astral projection" ( I'm a little bit more aware and focused than the last time I was in this aituation) So I concentrate and enter the vibration stage (all my body is numb and tingly especialy my tongue) and try to roll side ways out of my body with little success , never succedeng complete separation(at least my "astral eyes" opened from time to time, not like last time)... I repeatetly lose my concentration and slip out of the vibrations and back into the sleep paralysiss... eventualy I fall asleep and lose conciousness. This time I remembered it beter ( not as clowdy and dream-like like the first time) but still verry foggy.

What do you think? Was it real or just dreams of me trying to astral project? Does the Vibration stage suposed to be this dream-like/clowdy? I expected it to be more clear and focused... and for my personal quriosity and expectetions, when you guys succed astral projection is it clear or dream-like, like a Lucid dream level of clarity or better?

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You're welcome. I'd say hallucinations and projections are not mutually exlusive, any state (from my experience) that weakens the physical body and thus weakens its hold on the astral, increases the likelihood of a projection. Its a notion first proposed I think in a book by Muldoon and Carrington and something I have obsereved first hand, I've had hangovers, missed sleep etc and knew these factors were partly to blame for particularly conscious projections. I have also projected during hallucinatory flus and high fevers and again these were partly to blame. Muldoon and Carrington again, propose the astral body is 'loosened' even by such things as falling down suddenly or spinning around and is an idea I lean towards. So, if you think of your astral body in these terms and that its being held here and many things can loosen your physicals hold over it, you'll see that many experiences can at least in part be related to your astral body, as its already a part of your nature. From the experience of yours, you sound like you're describing 'a loss of self' which is common in hallucinations and is kind of the opposite feeling of a conscious projection, which feels like everything there is 'self'. However, like I said, drugs would weaken the physical and loosen the astral, so anything like that has the potential to trigger astral experiences, though you'd be in no fit state to discern what was astral and what wasn't.

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