theory of projection feed back requested

Posted about 5 years ago , by Scott Hefner

First time poster here. I have been reading over the various web sites, videos, and read thru about 60 books on Astral Projection (AP) and lucid dreaming (LD). After drilling down to the fundamentals, I have come down to the following conclusions.
AP and LD are the same, internal phenomena. They are shifting from perception of physical reality (PR) to non-physical reality (NR).
LD is achieved by pushing “up” or shifting from a dream state into a conscious state while perceiving non-physical reality. (Somewhat easy) AP is achieved by pushing “down” from a conscious state and shifting from physical to non-physical perception. (Barring natural talent this is very hard, to somewhat hard.) LD is developed by Dream journaling to improve non-physical memory. (required) Intent demonstrated by affirmation, saturation, self-hypnosis, and repetition. Reality checks to trigger the push up or shift. Enhanced awareness of surrounding in PR. Meditation to improve control of consciousness. Adjuncts like music, Binaural beats, herbs & vitamins, and electronics like flashing lights and special alarms.

Base technique- simply follow some of the above techniques and within a few weeks you will begin having intermittent lucid dreams. With continued practice and intent, you can have them consistently. Advance techniques- These techniques to improve the number of and allow multiple dreams like FILD, SSILD, WBTB etc. Although some of these change the “pop up” to a “drop down” from a near sleep state into direct lucidity. At the core, you awaken after a certain period, then fall back asleep while engaging in activity to keep the mind active while falling asleep, triggering a dream awakening, or having an outside stimulus trigger. AP is developed by Intent demonstrated by affirmation, saturation, self-hypnosis, and repetition. Breathing techniques. These seem to be of use in achieving relaxation. Deep relaxation to allow the body to achieve a state of sleep paralysis or full on body sleep with no body awareness. Meditation to improve control of consciousness. Both mindfulness and concentration techniques can be helpful.
Visualization skills to include all 4 other senses. Adjuncts like music, Binaural beats, and herbs & vitamins may be helpful.

Base technique- Establish a deeply relaxed state thru meditation, recent awakening (preferably without moving), or by staying perfectly still. Trigger sleep paralysis or nearby state. Already primed for REM sleep is beneficial. At this point, the practitioner utilized a technique causing his perception to shift from the PR to NR. This can be different types of visualizations using any or all the senses. The trick is to engage a “Non-physical sense”. The presence or absence of “Vibrations”, sounds, or similar phenomena is not required, but can act a a sign post that you are near the correct level. The “Phasing” style techniques are essentially a way to bypass the requirement to learn meditation and relaxation. They also require little visualization skills seeming to rely on somatic sensation typically.
The “classic” style is engaging in deep relaxation/ meditation along with specialized visualizations. The “Body of Light” or Mandala’s with dream yoga are examples. These require a substantial investment of time and training. It requires competency in relaxing, meditation, and visualization. The heart of all techniques is this. The person must be in an Alpha state between approximately 4 to 12 hertz. This is the frequency where REM, hypnagogia, and sleep paralysis takes place. This can be achieved by being asleep and dreaming (easiest), immediately after waking (more difficult but not hard, or meditation or staying perfectly still for extended periods (Hard). Once the practitioner reaches an acceptable state of consciousness, they “simply” shift their perception to non-physical senses. They attempt to see while their eyes are closed, they try to move limbs that are not there, etc. Enhance visualization skills are most helpful here. Personal theories and WAGs (Wild Ass Guesses) The human mind creates our perceptual world. We live in a “Sim” generated by the data transmitted by our senses and interpreted by our mind. While awake, the “Sim” is hooked directly into the body. When we sleep, the “Sim” is unhooked from the body. (IE Sleep paralysis) Dreams are the “Sim” processing data and experiences. Our normal dream states are run by our “monkey mind”. This would explain the chaos and need to retrain our conscious mind to start running things. It also explains the Dream Yoga premise of “Everything is a dream.” The different levels perception, control, and memory have to do with how well the mind has developed visualization (all senses), concentration, mindfulness, and control over brain frequency. I suspect that poor visualizers tend to have fuzzy/gray dreams. I suspect that if your brain waves are too far from the correct zone you loose control and or feel like you are in slow motion. We tend to get kicked out when certain neurotransmitters are used up. IE the end of REM cycle. I have no opinion yet as to this shift allowing access to information outside the corporeal form. Feedback? And If I posted an online poll would the group be interested in the data?

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Quinton, Much love

Personally, having recorded thousands of lucid dreams, and hundreds of out-of-body experiences over the years, I can say there is a tremendous difference between the two. After reading your post, I'm not certain if you have had a real OBE, and if that is the case then I can see how it would be easy to confuse the two. Lucid dreams are extensions of consciousness from our normal dreams, which is inherently created environments from our subconscious mind. Astral projection on the other hand, is a different wavelength of consciousness between the physical and non-physical. Two entirely different experiences.

Posted almost 5 years ago

Scott Hefner, Analytical empath

One, maybe. Rolled out and had the slow motion, hard to see effect. I have been working on lucid dreaming for 2 months. Is it plausible that by going from a completely conscious state you get a very different type of access to your mindscape? One of the issues that I have is memory problems with both. If both require the same techniques to remember projections/dreams does that mean they are the same phenomena? Then there is Mythos. It seems like people find what they expect when the project. And it matches what they are taught. I would LOVE to find out that AP accesses an existing reality outside myself, but I have yet to see proof of this. All the different AP books tend to describe very different places and issues.
I am not disregarding your statement however. I can't even Lucid consistently yet. What do you think is the best way to AP? And two other questions. Can you just close your eyes and pop out whenever? And do you have memory issues from projection? I had one night where I was doing a WBTB and Nada- total black memory that night. Since I started this I get 6-7 dreams a night, some I could write book about. But that time. Black. I wondered if it was a fluke, or maybe I broke the rule one author gave about not shooting around for hours after you get out or loose it all... ???

Posted almost 5 years ago

smoke some dmt and then tell me about your theory...

Posted almost 5 years ago

@Davidson I almost signed up for a retreat in Brazil with Ayahuasca Tea (DMT) in order to get insight into my OOBE. Instead of spending $3,000 for this retreat and travel, I come across several websites that sell the plants. They deliver it to you and you brew the tea.

What do you think? Going to the retreats or brewing your own Ayahuasca tea?

Posted almost 5 years ago

@David S , well you could pay 3000$ for that, and get one insight, or just spend some time and that amount of money to get yourself approximately 1000 insights or more...

I would not suggest to make tea and drink it , for first timers it could shatter your ego so much you would take several years to recover, instead make changa, using same components, DMT and harmalas, and smoke it, it it will have not smoke, but vapor of those two components, it hits you in minutes instead of hours as on ayahuasca, doesn't make you puke, lasts for 40m - 1 hour, and is more milder version of ayahuasca, I did about 30 smoke sessions till I got to ayahuasca, and ayahuasca shattered my ego and showed me who I really am, after that day my life changed 180 degrees, I was studying programming and now I want to buy homestead, on 6 acres, do yoga and meditate to achieve that state, the state of enlightenment, and it's very possible to achieve in this life. believe or not but if you will make that step there is no going back to unconciusness, and guess what ? I recommend that to everyone, I got my family to trip several times, there is no fights,hate, scandals or anything any more...

while in that 30 smoking sessions, I got to see gods and enlightened beings in casual worlds,and worlds of thoughts, demigods and godesses of realms which we could never grasp with our mind, godly spirits of our solar system dancing in eternal dance, cities of light spreading on the sheets of sun radiance... dimensions beyond imagination !

message me privately, I will tell you how to do it from 0 to final product.... you must make it from raw products by your self, cooking chemist level is enough... don't buy already made tea you will get police on your ass...

Posted almost 5 years ago

It's important to craft the memory of your consciousness in accordance with fractal principles. Thus is so.as to achieve rhite comprehensive capacity in the unlimited. Literally, study, draw, build sacred geometry and internalise these conceptual principles in any way you can (visual resonance) - for example, it is plausible to initiate cellular frequency dynamics from the mind eye. The cleaner your flesh, the more directly you will be able to connect with the Dna coding at the centre nuclei at the free will of your intent. Also it's crucial to honour the origin of 'your' intent and it's actual root purpose. Why do you want - what you want to create? Essentially this is an unavoidable mechanism that serves to reflect any fears that can be further overcome, for greater clarity and power. Power being the result of demonstrated responsibility. IE when we cease our involvement with animal exploitation in every way - the sentient family is eventually recognisable to include the emotive species' beyond human kind. Thus, in the astral level they become trustworthy companions, guides and protectors. This is somehow the most immediate of concerns for our civilized world. To realize the plight we maintain on the animal kingdom for pleasure as a complete detriment to our extra normal dreamscape capacity... I Praise thee in harmony.

Posted almost 5 years ago

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