problems with projecting...

criswellgunner
no matter what teqnique i try or how i do it, my body willl not fall asleep. This is the only thing holding me back, I was wondering if someone could help me with this.  :-\ Ive tried everything. Ive reced vibrations once, but that teqnique hasnt worked since...

I can tell simply by what you're saying and how you're saying it that you're being impatient with this.

You might have "tried everything"... but as my sensei says, it's not "practice makes perfect"... it's "PERFECT practice makes perfect".
You can do something over and over a million times, but if you're doing it wrong... then it will never help you progress.

What you need to do is slow down first.
Next learn to meditate.  This is what I firmly believe to be the cornerstone of not just non-physical exploration, but for ANYTHING metaphysical.

What this means is to learn to Focus your mind towards something... be it a single object, a scene, whatever...
THEN, learn to hold that Focus for extended periods of time.  Once you can do this effectively, you'll most likely begin to notice strange things related to astral projection beginning to happen to you.

My point here is build your foundation before you begin to build your roof... astral projection is the roof.  You can't successfully build it, until you have something firm to place it on.  :)

Xanth

criswellgunner
no matter what teqnique i try or how i do it, my body willl not fall asleep. This is the only thing holding me back, I was wondering if someone could help me with this.  :-\ Ive tried everything. Ive reced vibrations once, but that teqnique hasnt worked since...

I can tell simply by what you're saying and how you're saying it that you're being impatient with this.

You might have "tried everything"... but as my sensei says, it's not "practice makes perfect"... it's "PERFECT practice makes perfect".
You can do something over and over a million times, but if you're doing it wrong... then it will never help you progress.

What you need to do is slow down first.
Next learn to meditate.  This is what I firmly believe to be the cornerstone of not just non-physical exploration, but for ANYTHING metaphysical.

What this means is to learn to Focus your mind towards something... be it a single object, a scene, whatever...
THEN, learn to hold that Focus for extended periods of time.  Once you can do this effectively, you'll most likely begin to notice strange things related to astral projection beginning to happen to you.

My point here is build your foundation before you begin to build your roof... astral projection is the roof.  You can't successfully build it, until you have something firm to place it on.  :)

I completely agree with this..
By stressing you can't astral project, you can project only if you stay 100% calm.
Try to stay calm, practice meditation to stay calm.
You can't stress, push, pressure yourself to Astral Project :)

Its too hard to try to pull your soul out , maybe its impossible , but you can do it easily with calmness :)

criswellgunner
no matter what teqnique i try or how i do it, my body willl not fall asleep. This is the only thing holding me back, I was wondering if someone could help me with this.

My take - backed by a few years of experience in those matters - is that the perequisite to achieve success in astral projection is to strengthen the imaginary/subtle/astral body. In other words, the exercises that target this supposed body do lead to visionary experiences such as conscious (lucid) dreams and "astral projections", while merely teetering on the brink of sleep doesn't.

In one of my earlier posts, I gave a link to one rather dangerous but nevertheless effective exercise that comes from the tradition of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn (http://www.wisdomsdoor.com/wb/hwb-mpe.shtml). The exercise used to work for me in the past, now I'm testing another promising technique (and will notify my fellow forum users if it proves useful). There's another useful practice described my Mark Stavish (http://hermetic.com/stavish/essays/lucid.html), although I shamefully admit I didn't give it a solid try. And the one that worked for me best so far I've described in one of my previous posts.

In contrast to the more popular view, teetering on the brink of sleep is not necessary for projection. What matters is strenghtening of the subtle body (which may or may not exist; for our practical considerations let's assume it does) by regular, most preferably pre-sleep exercises. Famed vibrations are not a gauge of success - only a handful of my travels began with them - but a good dream recall is. Vivid dreams can be - according to the contemporary occult lore - seen as a result of spontaneous ejection of the etheric matter into the worlds unseen. So if you have regular and vivid dream recall, and especially if you dream of flying, then you are ready for projecting.

Last not least, the best time to try to travel is in the early morning. When I travelled far and wide I used to wake up at 3 or 4 o'clock and, instead of falling asleep, go into the projection state. Believe me, waking up early changes everything.

And that's it: pre-sleep exercises - regular!, dream recall and waking up early are the things that you should focus on if you pursue the experience of astral projection.